tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post9202321316683639301..comments2024-03-08T00:12:34.350-08:00Comments on Art and Quilts, cogitations thereon: Dave Hickey on teaching artElizabeth Bartonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13928615247903165719noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-78651547584997793742010-03-25T16:31:49.638-07:002010-03-25T16:31:49.638-07:00Hi Elizabeth.
I took your class on design at Canm...Hi Elizabeth. <br />I took your class on design at Canmore, Alberta in January 2008, and just discovered your blog. I have to tell you that your class filled me with more confidence and ideas for my work than anything I've ever done. In fact, I've not felt the need since to take another class, at least until I get out of me what your comments stirred loose. Also thank you again for helping me work with my attention deficit problems instead of fighting them. You are a gem!<br /> <br />As for this post, interesting ideas. Have you read Francis Schaeffer's definitions of art? I will be back and hope to read prior posts to catch up!Elsie Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13739927333538419518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-62131533262733590042010-03-25T08:23:05.441-07:002010-03-25T08:23:05.441-07:00Hello, again! I forgot to comment on the 'crit...Hello, again! I forgot to comment on the 'critique' at the end of classes. I agree that we don't often follow what others are doing and it is informative and helpful to learn what they tried and changed, how the piece evolved as well as where they're planning to take it. Agreeing with Kay and Marti, I can learn a lot via others' work. In addition, we can learn through your example how to assess our own work. You're very good at using the language of the lessons to comment and guide in making decisions about our work. Thank you for this provocative post!Jackiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04730298448632087144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-88632061143112235162010-03-25T07:46:57.843-07:002010-03-25T07:46:57.843-07:00I wanted to add one more comment. I taught writin...I wanted to add one more comment. I taught writing workshops to young students for a number of years, and I think my experience there is relevant. Critiques are important to students because they need to know that SOMEONE is seeing their work, and to see what others are doing. And as others here have commented it is possible to learn from a critique. Whether you as the teacher learn from the experience is irrelevant, although since you do control the critiques, it ought to be possible to make them meaningful to everyone.Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669924514599648160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-27802064935359031342010-03-24T18:30:23.457-07:002010-03-24T18:30:23.457-07:00Elizabeth, you commented on critiques at the end o...Elizabeth, you commented on critiques at the end of a workshop and wanted to leave them out but the students wanted them in. I'm with the students. For me, what happens in the workshop, I get so busy doing I never look around to see what others are doing. It's one way for me to avoid being influenced by what others are doing. So by the ending critique it is a chance to see what others have done as well as yourself. I often make silent judgments on my own but still it is a chance to observe and learn. Maybe a better way is to call it a wrap up.<br />Marti PlagerMarti Plagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-78166019996474589852010-03-24T14:47:12.131-07:002010-03-24T14:47:12.131-07:00Definately food for thought! Does the artist labe...Definately food for thought! Does the artist label matter more if you're trying to make a living from it? Not something I need to worry about as my income comes from my day job as a scientist.<br />I would say that I'm a 'maker' of textiles or a painter and stitcher and I make to please/express myself so maybe by his standards it's self-indulgent. <br />Where does a professional attitude fit in apart from hard work? <br />Critiques are Curates Eggs - it depends on whether you trust others judgement.magsramsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16559934058887308651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-23869277523389913462010-03-24T12:58:54.152-07:002010-03-24T12:58:54.152-07:00I have a problem with art not being art until it i...I have a problem with art not being art until it is viewed by someone other than you. You ask your peers and they declare it art? It sort of reminds me of the old question of "if you scream in the woods and there is no one to hear it does it make noise?" <br />What if when viewed by your peers one judges it to be bad art and the other finds it compelling and definitely art. Is Bad art still art? And who then is qualified to declare it art if not yourself.Barbara Strobel Lardonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08314713622021695107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-1169623916419156862010-03-24T12:25:26.155-07:002010-03-24T12:25:26.155-07:00...mmmmmm...He does present food for thought. At ......mmmmmm...He does present food for thought. At an earlier time in my life I felt starved for information and input of other opinions about "being an artist". It felt as though it took forever for me to "feel" that I'm an artist. I've traveled a long road and done the work to reach this point of confidence. The statements by one man/person won't dash that. What I make/create has to excite me. If it doesn't, then I know it's not worthy of being "out there".<br /><br />My take from reading the thoughts you put forth on your blog is that you're the best kind of "teacher".Nellie's Needleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12468773469685787840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-11089840225769051572010-03-24T10:33:38.602-07:002010-03-24T10:33:38.602-07:00Thank you so much for passing these ideas along. ...Thank you so much for passing these ideas along. There's so much to consider here.Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669924514599648160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-45348000864362539612010-03-24T10:03:20.397-07:002010-03-24T10:03:20.397-07:00That's a very interesting post and give me lot...That's a very interesting post and give me lots to ponder. It must have been great to be there!Vicki Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06929340703066037054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-61539244278230504562010-03-24T09:09:00.598-07:002010-03-24T09:09:00.598-07:00Goodness, what a lot to think about! Certainly the...Goodness, what a lot to think about! Certainly the title 'artist.' I am called an artist by some because, I think, I am making images that are new--to them, at least. And I am learning about critiquing, that it's my opinion that matters about my work. As I am working, my unease about any part of it is my critic evaluating. The realization of what the problem is takes time but I finally figure it out and improve the piece. Sometimes others offer a suggestion that either helps the piece or I've already discarded but I am now strong enough to re-evaluate on my own terms and incorporate the modification or not. That's been a long time coming. Other times I seek advice, particularly when I can't figure out a bit, tricky--who to ask. I want my work to be wholly mine. <br /><br />About teaching, Elizabeth, I appreciated your Asilomar class very much, in large part because you gave us tools to create our own work, not to reproduce yours or anyone else's. Drawings, value studies, assessing, examining-- real tools to learn about our own work and grow. Teaching is about helping students to access what's within them. I used to teach special ed kids to read and that certainly cannot be imposed or handed to them, it must come from within. All the teacher can do is try to match tools to the learner and enable. But I'm going on and on. Thank you for another thought-provoking post. Wish you were here to talk with, I'd give you tea!<br />Thank you.Jackiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04730298448632087144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-31987535047606114822010-03-24T08:27:59.658-07:002010-03-24T08:27:59.658-07:00Hmmm... he has some interesting opinions. I have ...Hmmm... he has some interesting opinions. I have hesitated for years to call myself an artist. I just never felt I had reached that point in my development. Now I use the term with the hope that I will grow into it. I certainly don't think I am there yet.<br /><br />Bring back some good stuff to share!Quilt or Dyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07194932090799851056noreply@blogger.com