tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post3470716724635769761..comments2024-03-08T00:12:34.350-08:00Comments on Art and Quilts, cogitations thereon: surface seduction - patting isn't enoughElizabeth Bartonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13928615247903165719noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-8491587663099283302009-08-12T13:53:07.762-07:002009-08-12T13:53:07.762-07:00I too - like the majority want to agree with Eliza...I too - like the majority want to agree with Elizabeth. I think this whole process surface art has become so popular because it helps that urge in all of us to creative experimentally, tactilly, and for the most part in a timely manner. Of course, manufacturers feed into it because now there is a whole new tool box of supplies, they can sell quilters. Still good design is always at the root of all good art no matter what your media. What I have found out lately (and struggle with regularly) is that good design takes time, patience and persistence. Its not something that will be magically found by putting more layers or embellishments on.Nina Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14316034317827146338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-29744086094490618762009-08-12T09:29:04.448-07:002009-08-12T09:29:04.448-07:00I agree with you. Art cloth isn't just throwin...I agree with you. Art cloth isn't just throwing a bunch of processes at the cloth and then sitting back to admire it. The same rigorous standards that apply to any well crafted work of art apply to art cloth...and you can quote me on that if you want to! I think too often people feel they have more license to "play" on an art cloth surface, and the result is a disjointed piece that doesn't fulfil its potential. Part of the message I am always trying to get across in my own teaching.<br /><br />Jane DunnewoldJane Dunnewoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16254943030333257172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-59837811251924140222009-08-12T04:28:20.186-07:002009-08-12T04:28:20.186-07:00Returning for another bite of th cherry: congratul...Returning for another bite of th cherry: congratulations on one of the most thought-provoking posts in some time. Further reflections on fabric esp. hand-dyed: I do find from time to time that h/d fabric sets my mind off wandering - trees, water, recollections of places, events and so on, as people have said: but this needs to be the starting-point for the quilt, ideas that can be worked on further. For me it may mean purposeful dyeing followed by sketchbook work trying out ideas and designs - others may have other working methods. But whatever it involves WORK (I really don't believe that anyone can make twenty art pieces in a day (as some have claimed to do) that are worth doing: even when the processes come easy the preliminaries need thought and care and exploration.<br /><br />And some clarification here about meaning in art - as Aussie Jo suggests a lot of people tend to think of meaning as the sort of meaning you can get in a printed newspaper article - but meaning can be a whole range of things - capturing a mood, exploring tricks of the light, feelings, memories, whatever and then communicating them via artwork...Sandra Wymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04513871393590385611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-19790024876269834052009-08-11T23:11:48.493-07:002009-08-11T23:11:48.493-07:00You have stimulated lots of different comments her...You have stimulated lots of different comments here. It is all very well to develop art that has meaning, a message or a theme and I find these quite interesting to explore. However I also love to see art that is simply beautifully formed, whether it be the colour combination or the composition of the design and not necessarily be trying to make a statement. <br />Every person has a right and often a need to create and I am all for encouraging everyone to have a go and develop in their own way, whether that be technique based or design based. <br />I think taking the moral high ground is a little like the "stitch police" (they are still out there, watch out!!!)Aussie Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11520718297781896214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-86917919208800827682009-08-11T19:51:09.460-07:002009-08-11T19:51:09.460-07:00Great post. I agree on so many of your points. I...Great post. I agree on so many of your points. I did a workshop with Jette Clover several years ago where she pushed me so far outside of my comfort zone, I considered not going back for the second day. However, I did go back and it was a huge turning point for me as an artist. I believe creating fiber art from a story or a theme is a totally different process (and product) than making something aesthetically appealing from fabric. But, I also believe they both have their merits.Martha Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01131812403852060667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-62115904499945081032009-08-11T15:12:11.044-07:002009-08-11T15:12:11.044-07:00Great post and I am in agreement on so many levels...Great post and I am in agreement on so many levels. Although you've surely caught me on the 'inspired by the fabric' line. As one who often wonders why I don't spend more of my time designing fabric...I love it that much; I have taken to writing 'inspired by the fabric' on my website when I can't think of anything more glamorous to say. I will stop immediately!!! This reminds me of how people often want to affix meaning (and logic) to abstract art. Simply put, it is what it is!TALL GIRLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12685286013347215222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-58377789464777659402009-08-11T08:45:23.625-07:002009-08-11T08:45:23.625-07:00Sorry if you've already read this; it's a ...Sorry if you've already read this; it's a version of a message I sent to quiltart: While I'm in agreement in theory that work should be about more than "just" the fabric, I'm a little troubled by the assumption that surface design is not, in itself, an art form. I'm not sure I can make a distinction between applying paint (or dyes) to fabric and applying it to canvas. Ive seen complex cloth that is very well designed and carries its own "narrative," in the sense of abstract art. I think the "what do you DO with it" question for people who work with surface design (including myself) comes NOT just at the end, when the fabric is finished, but during the process--taking the blank canvas (fabric in this case), and transforming it into something that speaks to the artist, or speaks for the artist, or speaks to an audience, or however you define art. From there, people take their surface-designed fabric in different directions--some make wearable art, others make quilts, some apply the fabric to a canvas, etc., but often the quality of the work IS about the fabric, because that's where the art "work" has taken place.<br /><br />This may or may not be a different issue than experimenting with techniques; I have a lot of fabric that I've saved from technique-experimentation, and that's typically the stuff I look at think, Ok, what do I DO with this?Michele/TextileTravelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13358754619610633763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-62734976028975531232009-08-11T08:41:40.570-07:002009-08-11T08:41:40.570-07:00Good post Elizabeth.Thanks!Good post Elizabeth.Thanks!PaMdorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14673157255405327125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-63513067199833910692009-08-11T05:45:17.130-07:002009-08-11T05:45:17.130-07:00Amen! I love surface design, but a pretty surface...Amen! I love surface design, but a pretty surface isn't enough for me. Indeed, I often get stuck when using my own dyed pieces because it's hard to move beyond the "seductive" surface to see what greater meanings there are.Lori Gravleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04346626540498460234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-73710034181161110872009-08-11T05:44:44.776-07:002009-08-11T05:44:44.776-07:00YES! You've put structure to niggling notions...YES! You've put structure to niggling notions too embryonic in my own mind to find shape. Thank you!Diane Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15080781013677175472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-36801152452569834522009-08-11T02:08:30.151-07:002009-08-11T02:08:30.151-07:00Fabric and techniques without intent = a technique...Fabric and techniques without intent = a technique sample. Add intent + talent + design principles and then you may get art. It should come down to why things are made not how.<br />Too many people fall for the quilt art material marketing: paintstik + tyvek + beads = art. Techniques and tools should be means to an end not the end. Learning different techniques allow you to create your own fabrics or enhance commercial fabrics to develop your own vision. Fabrics CAN inspire and motivate, look at the Hoffman challenge-some look like a paint by numbers (use challenge and coordinates in x pattern) while others are well designed art quilts and it is hard to see that they started with the same fabric.<br />Thanks for the thoughtful posting.<br />SandraSandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03202287233052865076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-25568073635318447142009-08-10T22:22:48.293-07:002009-08-10T22:22:48.293-07:00Interesting take on the 'process'... makes...Interesting take on the 'process'... makes me wonder if it is because of the tutorials out there, the expectation that every work will be described in detail as to how it was arrived at...<br />It is and always will be the ingredients that make the cake...is that what you are saying? Not the beating of the eggs, but the fact they were beaten? Not what came first... the chicken or the egg?<br />Curious....Carolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14402284255342698129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-88570253597356715642009-08-10T20:35:54.562-07:002009-08-10T20:35:54.562-07:00This is why I stopped curating only fiber . . . be...This is why I stopped curating only fiber . . . because it was so incredibly difficult to get work that went beyond the fabric or the technique or, or, or . . .Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05279273317432580813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-86642831536027487762009-08-10T20:30:35.663-07:002009-08-10T20:30:35.663-07:00Interesting post, and I can see your point. But i...Interesting post, and I can see your point. But in some sense, anything that inspires us to create is only the beginning of the process. An idea, an image, a color, or the materials themselves are just the jumping-off point for the process of creation. In that sense, fabric (or paints or pastels or rusty pieces of metal) are perfectly valid as sources of inspiration -- as long as you don't think that is the end of the design process! I might look at a piece of hand-painted fabric and see ghostly images of trees, or urban decay, or a lullaby, and that would kick me into the process of trying to use the material to realize my vision. Many artists, particularly mixed-media and textile artists, find inspiration in their materials. I guess the question is what constitutes a successful realization of that moment of inspiration.Deborah C. Stearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10293517108313679115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-66077362169596631372009-08-10T18:10:37.718-07:002009-08-10T18:10:37.718-07:00I wonder if fabric actually speaks louder when it ...I wonder if fabric actually speaks louder when it talks about something other than itself. I have a couple of bed quilts that were made to show off fabric. I think they do it well yet few people have commented on the fabric. On the other hand three of my most recent art quilts are pictorial and people do comment on the fabrics. They see the image then look more at what made it up.Ferrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503132721132843219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-12821182579264365452009-08-10T17:47:52.060-07:002009-08-10T17:47:52.060-07:00Oh, thank you for saying this. Thank you. I have s...Oh, thank you for saying this. Thank you. I have seen way too many "seduced by the fabric/technique" pieces. Did I say thank you?Terry Granthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650965451863656517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-10257995862950941912009-08-10T12:23:55.111-07:002009-08-10T12:23:55.111-07:00Thanks for your last two posts. They have really g...Thanks for your last two posts. They have really given me something to think about. I've decided to work on my color/value combinations in simple settings and go from there. Maybe I need to think about dying my own fabric? Or maybe the challenge is to work with commercial fabric as Jackie said mentioned.Crazy for Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02958670054739308415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-90153760112663235572009-08-10T10:48:17.679-07:002009-08-10T10:48:17.679-07:00Been there and done that (even winning a special a...Been there and done that (even winning a special award for hand-dyed fabric at one point) and I know what you mean, having struggled with not allowing method to oust meaning (and often losing the struggle) for some time now. Now I'm aware of it and trying hard not to get sidetracked! Thanks for this post. Love the work of the people you've chosen - personally would add Jette Clover as well!Sandra Wymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04513871393590385611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1210759514036256082.post-74910850120001667942009-08-10T10:27:45.740-07:002009-08-10T10:27:45.740-07:00I missed you, but you'll have lots to share! I...I missed you, but you'll have lots to share! I appreciate the links you included today. Both Colsh and Schultze use their enhanced fabric to create something new, it's not just about the fabric. Excellent example. I am not feeling the need at this stage to do dyeing and printing, the brief encounters I've had haven't been productive and I enjoy the search for just the right hue and value of commercial fabric. What led you into surface design? I find the whole process intriguing, just haven't been there---yet.Jackiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04730298448632087144noreply@blogger.com